a 6 copper colonial pocket spill

[del]

got up early today to hit some colonial sites with Coinnut , he wanted to hit an old cellar that was really good to him years back . after a good jeep ride into the woods we could go no further so we hoofed it for another 1/4 to 1/2 mile we made it to a nice big colonial with lots of area.
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/gsite1.jpg

the once virgin site was pretty devoid of targets just a few small buttons was our reward after many hours. so we headed up the road and hit another large site .this is where i found this little fella
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/smallorangesalamander.jpg

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/gsite2.jpg

with again little results , so we drove to a nearby area that had about two more large colonials with large fields and George an i went to work . after a few more hours i headed down to the last cellar
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/pocketspillsite.jpg

and began to work a steep bank . half way up i got a great target ( the best of the day :smitten:) but it wasn't very deep , maybe on a the steep grade it doesn't have to be , i thought. at about 2 1/2 inches it was an aluminum can end :hairpulling: >:{ >:/ what the @$!% is this here for , the detecting gods were making sport of me lol rofl . i continued up the grade for two reasons , 1. most people don't do them and 2. i wanted to see the top as i have never been up there and wanted to hit the area above the cellar . i reached the top of the grade and worked a small area overlooking the cellar then i got a beautiful coin sounding target and a solid +88 - +89 on my dfx :shocked04:stretcher: . before i got to excited i pinpointed it and it pegged at 6 inches :shocked04: :drool: :loveit: :smitten: and i'm thinking this could be a nice goodsized piece of silver . after i pull a 3 inch plug out i start to dig in the nice soft dirt with my hand after a little dirt i pull this out


http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/3coppersinhand.jpg

just by their color i knew there could be more in the hole

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/6coppersinhand.jpg

6 coppers all stacked on top of each other :omg: :drool: :shocked04: not just a copper spill but a real colonial copper spill they are a 1774 King George III (counterfiet) , 4 1787 fugio coppers ( sorry Angel i just had to beat your two in one day record :tongue:) and a 1788 New Jersey state copper (maris 67-v. variety common type).

oh yeah i did the dance :happydance01: happydance02 <:


heres all the goodies 5 buttons a shoe buckle frame and the coppers , their pretty green so it might be awhile before their cleaned first i have to id them , but i keep you all posted with more pictures of the progress.HH

Dan
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/august20thfinds1.jpg

[coinnut]

You still doing that happy dance? lol Your wife is gonna make you sleep outside tonight rofl Great job today. That colonial pocket spill is :daydream: :daydream: :loveit: :loveit: :smitten: oh yeah :girlcry: :girlcry: :girlcry: :girlcry: :girlcry: That is two hunts in a row I took a whoopin' and I'm not liking it much :thinkingabout: I hope they clean up nicely Dan. You needed a good day and I'd say this one qualifies :yes: Makes my finds look meager lol But I did manage to score 1 copper :dontknow: and I think it's a Louis the XVI, but can't seem to find the same reverse on Google. But I didn't look that hard either lol Got a wierd looking bell, a good amount of buttons and other stuff for the collection. It was a really good hunt today. Congrats on that spill. :perfect10: :perfect10: :perfect10:

Here's some of the junk (rest is in Dan's jeep 8/)
[attachimg=1]

The better stuff
[attachimg=2]

The copper still dirty
[attachimg=3]
[attachimg=4]

And cleaned as best as it's gonna get. This area pits coppers :hairpulling:
[attachimg=5]
[attachimg=6]

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

HOLY CRAP! SSSSSAAAAAAWWEEEEEEEEEEET! you were long overdue for a day like today! that puts you right back in the race dude!.and G likes gettin spanked >:tongue: (shh his wife told me that) rofl
sweet copper G! never seen one of those.what a great day fellas!

[del]

thanks you two , George that coin is in pretty decent shape. what would be the around date for Louis the xvi reign anyways.




i'm pretty sure the king george III is either a machin mills 1774 (vlack5-74a ) or a (vlack7-74a) the reverses are very close , George the coins are starting to clean up a little . some of the detail on a couple of the fugios is incredible :daydream: as soon as i get them presentable i'll post'em .

[BOWSER]

wow i would give up on that site ,you got it all. :perfect10:

[coinnut]

George that coin is in pretty decent shape. what would be the around date for Louis the xvi reign anyways.


I think it said 1774 -1792. I thought it was older lol



i'm pretty sure the king george III is either a machin mills 1774 (vlack5-74a ) or a (vlack7-74a) the reverses are very close


What did I tell you? :rolleyes: rofl If you are gonna find a colonial pocket spill, it has to have some rare varieties in it lol It's in the relic hunter's rules thumbsup01 Can't wait to see them Fugios :daydream:

[MassDirtFisher]

Holy cow!!! Nice little hunt you guys had. Patience pays off. Congrats on a great hunt!!! Happy Hunting Guys!!

[Ill Digger]

:shocked04: Holy cow guys!! :clapping:
Del big congrats on the colonial spill! |:confused:) |:confused:) |:confused:)
I can't wait to see the cleaned coins! I just love the circles on the Fugios :smitten: And the state coppers are just about as old as it gets here in the new world! :shocked01: Thats just hard to wrap my brain around :confused: lol Thats a find of a life time! :drool:
And George you had a good day too.! Thats a different looking copper :confused: Never seen one like that. But thats not saying much either! lol
Big Congrats guy! :grin:

[OxShoeDrew]

That is unfathomable Dan! Has anything like this ever happened before to anyone on the forum? Have fun with the cleaning...it will be a labor of love. Did you did 'em with my shovel?lol
It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy! Well, it COULD have happened to me....haha I'd have about the same chance finding those coins as Helen Keller wearing oven mits.
Hooray Dan!

[fsa46]

WOW, what an unbelievable find Dan. :perfect10: :perfect10: :cheering:

Talk about an instant boost in your copper count, :drool: and I see the change has already been made. thumbsup01

You and George make a heck of a one ,two punch.....you hit um high and George hits um low. lol lol :clapping:

[CTDirtFisher]

DAN - HOLY SCHNIKEYS WOW OMGAWD <: :perfect10: :peace:

George nice pull...

You two had a good day...

Paul

[trout-hunter]

Wow!!! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: the only thing I ask of you guy's is to leave at least one old copper for me to find some day. lol lol Nice job.

[Jyes]

Wow, what a great find, wonder if they were lost in a pouch that they stayed together like that. Hope they clean up nicely.

The French copper appears to be a 1791 French 12 Denier, not 100% positive but sure is similar.

[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]

Jyes

[Epi-hunter]

Wow, you guys!!! :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: Just wow!! :shocked04: :shocked04: |:confused:) |:confused:) |:confused:) |:confused:)

Dan, that is an incredible spill!!!! Are you going to clean them and post photos? What a day!!! :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:

And George, I love that copper!!! You two had a fantastic day!!! :perfect10: :perfect10: :perfect10:

[coinnut]

The French copper appears to be a 1791 French 12 Denier, not 100% positive but sure is similar.

[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]

Jyes


Thanks for IDing my copper Jyes. Now that I see the pictures I can try and make out the date. Unfortunately, all I can read is the 179_ lol I appreciate the research. Thanks thumbsup01

[sniffy]

jeALLLLLOUS! :barf:......................I need to get out.

[angellionel]

Outstanding copper spill Dan! :drool: :drool: Those sure do bring back memories. :daydream: And I bet your heart was pounding more than usual too. lol What a wonderful hit. :happydance01: I hope they clean up well. I know that I have had a hard time getting that thick verdigris off of my coppers. I can't really tell from your photo, but I'm guessing it may not be as bad, and the details will shine through. :yes: A huge congrats! :clapping:


Nice old French copper, George. :peace: I think it is the first one I have seen dug. :thinkingabout: By the way, you should have video recorded Dan's dance. lol

[del]

Outstanding copper spill Dan! :drool: :drool: Those sure do bring back memories. :daydream: And I bet your heart was pounding more than usual too. lol What a wonderful hit. :happydance01: I hope they clean up well. I know that I have had a hard time getting that thick verdigris off of my coppers. I can't really tell from your photo, but I'm guessing it may not be as bad, and the details will shine through. :yes: A huge congrats! :clapping:


Nice old French copper, George. :peace: I think it is the first one I have seen dug. :thinkingabout: By the way, you should have video recorded Dan's dance. lol


thanks Angel the green verdigris is pretty thick but intial results are slow going but i'm making some head way and they look pretty good but i have alot more to do to them .this is what i have so far the picture don do the details justice by the way .

[MassDirtFisher]

Look at those beauties!!!!
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Way to go!!! I hope you guys score better next time, if thats possible. :daydream: CONGRATS!! thumbsup01

[zrickkid]

Find of a lifetime im sure. we dont get coins like that here in the midwest. Thanks for sharing. :angelic:

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

lookin good Dan! thumbsup01

[coinnut]

They are cleaning up real nice Dan. Looks like they were all brand spankin' new when dropped :peace: Nice going so far :clapping:

[del]

well heres a couple that are just about there cleaning-wise .... lol lol

when these coins were brought home they pretty much looked like this

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/coinspillfugiobeforecleaning1.jpg

covered with a very hard green verdigris thats very stubborn to separate from the coin.
the 1788 new jersey copper was on the outside of the spill as the front must have been down and the elements affected it more while the back was more protected by the next coin in the spill. its front side is very poreous , it is a common type for that year (Maris 67-v.) and probably the least in value

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/newjerseyfront1.jpg

the back is in great shape and just needs a little more elbow grease to clean up.

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/newjerseyreverse1.jpg

the nxt copper is a 1787 fugio that i'm still unsure about the variety , it does have a flawed plachet which wasn't to uncommon to use back then . the front has some great detail but you'll notice in the upper left area there was a lowspot or cull in the die when it was pressed.

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/fugiowithflawedplanchetobverse1.jpg

and heres the revers of the same coin

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/fugiowithflawedplanchetreverse1.jpg

the next coin i thought was just another King George III copper turned out to be a 1774 Machin Mills counterfiet (Vlack3-74A variety ) , it has some wear and is a little rough around the edges but i'm happy with the way it turned out .

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/1774machinmillsfront1.jpg

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/1774machinmillsreverse1.jpg

and the last i have to show you so far is the front of this 1787 clubed ray fugio (Newman 4-E) variety . it also has some great detail and is cleaning up well.

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/fugioclubrayobverse1.jpg

thanks all for the kind words , i hope thers more to come .

[Tony Two-Cent]

The stuff dreams are made of. :smitten:

Mind blowing coins! I don't know what else to say, words don't seem sufficient!

[angellionel]

They cleaned up very nicely Dan. :smitten: Beautiful details on those Fugios. :loveit:

[coinnut]

I can't find that exact one in Breens book either. The closest it comes is Breens # 1310 They do state that there are 28 varieties of that one. It is the little A in the word ARE that makes me think it's that one. I don't have a plate showing all the 28 varieties though. They are all looking good :perfect10:

[jkress]

:-> :-> :-> = |:confused:)
Awesome post Dan! Must have been incredibly exciting to keep pulling those beauties out of the ground.
One definitely comes alive when a signal's reading and depth blend together in a perfect harmony. :smitten:
Your hunch to hit the hill side was spot on.
These are really incredible finds. I'm very happy for you.
Extremely well done sir... extremely well done.

[jkress]

Beauty of a copper George. <: You guys find such old coins out there.
The two of your wreak some serious havoc on those old colonial site relics and coins. :yes:
Great hunt.

[coinnut]

Beauty of a copper George. <: You guys find such old coins out there.
The two of your wreak some serious havoc on those old colonial site relics and coins. :yes:
Great hunt.


lol They wreak havoc on us too :yes: I'm good for nothing by the time I get home ;)

[Ill Digger]

Oh man Dan! :drool: Wow those things are in phenomenal condition! :shocked04:
Like Tony said word just describe a find like that :shocked01: |:confused:) :clapping:
Congrats again! thumbsup01

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

AMAZING SHAPE!

[fsa46]

Wow Dan...I can't believe how nice they all cleaned up. :perfect10: :smitten: :smitten:

:omg: I still can't get over what a GREAT score you made. :shocked04:

If you were playing baseball I would have to say you just hit a Grand Slam. :clapping:

[aloldstuff]

Tell me if I got this right. Nothing here, nothing here, nothing here, Oh I'll go up this slope, dang looky what I found. WOW, that dig would have made my year, absolutly fantastic. The coins look like they are cleaning up real nice.

[tanacat]

:omg: :omg: :omg: Where have I been?? I missed this!

|:confused:) |:confused:) |:confused:) That is a dream come true Dan... :loveit:

BIG time Congrats- they cleaned up so good!

[Mudder]

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: What a great find, I can understand why some of us would turn a bit :barf: looking at this haul. We don't have colonials in Mississippi, shoot even the Indians didn't want it. Congrats on a fantastic hunt. thumbsup01

[Toadman]

Totally awesome ! History in your hands ! :perfect10: :perfect10: :perfect10:

[R.I.Terry]

totaly awsome find there Dan, more then likely one that you will never repeat or forget. thumbsup01

[del]

thanks everyone ,
heres a couple of pictures of the last two fugios the backs are still unfinished so i only have the fronts to show as they need just a little more attention to complete.

this one is only half i'ded its a (Newman 15-? front variety) because of its die crack in the lower right side just outside of the sundial base . the back of this coin was on the other outer side of the coinspill so it does have some pitting going on the reverse .

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/newman9varietyfugiofront1.jpg

the last i'm pretty certain is a (Newman 9-? front variety) the back is starting to clean up well .

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/unknownvarietyfugiofront1.jpg

soon i hope to post a few shots of them all together somewhat like were some 200+ years ago when they first got lost. thanks all for staying tuned through out this process.

heres a before shot of them all dirty and corroded
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/6alluncleaned.jpg

and heres on of them together mostky cleaned up
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/6mostlycleaned11.jpg


Dan

[tanacat]

Very nice :yes:

[alderan33]

:perfect10:

Now how are you ever going to top that?
I am going to stay tuned and find out.....WTG

[MassDirtFisher]

I VOTE FIND OF THE DECADE!!! :perfect10:

Truly an amazing wonderful piece of early colonial history. Way to go. Thats why you go metal detecting. Congrats. Happy Hunting!!

[milco]

WOW!! That's an amazing spill, congrats to you!

[OxShoeDrew]

My WIFE was impressed when I showed her! Now THAT is amazing! :clapping:

[hockeyguy]

Wow Dan amazing work...that's the find of the year in my book. :perfect10: :perfect10:
I hope the varieties are rare and valuable. :peace: :peace:

[RobW]

|:confused:) |:confused:) :clapping: :clapping:
Way to go Dan...you so deserved it after having to watch George pull all of those coppers out all season long...You deserved a GREAT score like that! Those are some incredible coins! :clapping:

[del]

[size=1:crazy:t]updated information on the coins

first ,
again thanks everyone for the nice words and pm's , the questions and interests is great.



i have gotten some 4 confirmed i.d's on the 6 coins with these three more interesting than the other one which turned out to be a (Newman 15-Y ) .

the first is the 1774 King George III is in fact a confirmed ( Vlack 3-74A. ) a rare Machin Mills counterfiet copper estimated numbers of coins available are only 65 to 124 coins

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/1774machinmillsfront1.jpg
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/1774machinmillsreverse1.jpg

the next coin is a 1787 fugio thats confirmed as a (Newman 4-E ) known as a club ray variety with a rarity as scarce with only 250 - 499 coin available
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/fugioclubrayobverse1.jpg
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/clubedrayfugioback.jpg

which brings me to this Fugio , it was a good run around to id it but has been confirmed as a (Newman 13-N ) and is a very rare type with as few 17- 33 coins available and happens to be the best conditioned coin in the spill i found .
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/fugiowithflawedplanchetobverse1.jpg
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/fugiowithflawedplanchetreverse1.jpg

this coin is even missing out of some of the most prestigious coin collections and could be one of the best examples around . i do not know what a coin like this might fetch on an auction and i did find one example on ebay and it was rated as a g-5 condition , holed and with a counterstamp a pretty beat specimen and they still want $1,500 for it .
heres a link-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1787-Fugio-copper-Newman-13-N-R7-129-GR-COUNTERSTAMP-/290605751067?_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DS IC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%25 2BUFI%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D300462009242%26ps%3D63%26 clkid%3D2495949531078907546

just wanted to keep you all informed as some have been very interested in this from the get go.

Thanks again for looking .

Dan

[OxShoeDrew]

I bet you wouldn't sell any of them! You going to showcase them together? Seems to have been a lot of counterfeiting going on back then. I'll have to read up on it.

[Sal66]

I know, I know, I haven't been on here in awhile. Dan and I use to go all the time until I got Lyme Disease and had to pretty much give it up. It's been 5 years now since having the rash and unfortunately it caused irreversible and degenerative joint , muscle and nerve damage which causes me to be in pain all the time.
Anyway, I want to congratulate Dan and George on this hunt. If I had been there, I would have probably been shaking all the way home. Best hunt I've seen these two have. I hope to hook up for a little while with the Master(Dan) (CANE IN ONE HAND, DETECTOR IN THE OTHER) in the next few months before it gets too cold for me.
All coins have areas of great detail and I hope Dan found out the Variety of the Fugio. Too bad G's coin wasn't laying date side down. It seems that the side facing down comes out looking better. Anyway, I would be happy beyond belief. I'm getting itchy just typing this reply!! :white:usaflag:: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[Civil War Nut]

got up early today to hit some colonial sites with Coinnut , he wanted to hit an old cellar that was really good to him years back . after a good jeep ride into the woods we could go no further so we hoofed it for another 1/4 to 1/2 mile we made it to a nice big colonial with lots of area.
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/gsite1.jpg

the once virgin site was pretty devoid of targets just a few small buttons was our reward after many hours. so we headed up the road and hit another large site .this is where i found this little fella
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/smallorangesalamander.jpg

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/gsite2.jpg

with again little results , so we drove to a nearby area that had about two more large colonials with large fields and George an i went to work . after a few more hours i headed down to the last cellar
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/pocketspillsite.jpg

and began to work a steep bank . half way up i got a great target ( the best of the day :smitten:) but it wasn't very deep , maybe on a the steep grade it doesn't have to be , i thought. at about 2 1/2 inches it was an aluminum can end :hairpulling: >:{ >:/ what the @$!% is this here for , the detecting gods were making sport of me lol rofl . i continued up the grade for two reasons , 1. most people don't do them and 2. i wanted to see the top as i have never been up there and wanted to hit the area above the cellar . i reached the top of the grade and worked a small area overlooking the cellar then i got a beautiful coin sounding target and a solid +88 - +89 on my dfx :shocked04:stretcher: . before i got to excited i pinpointed it and it pegged at 6 inches :shocked04: :drool: :loveit: :smitten: and i'm thinking this could be a nice goodsized piece of silver . after i pull a 3 inch plug out i start to dig in the nice soft dirt with my hand after a little dirt i pull this out


http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/3coppersinhand.jpg

just by their color i knew there could be more in the hole

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/6coppersinhand.jpg

6 coppers all stacked on top of each other :omg: :drool: :shocked04: not just a copper spill but a real colonial copper spill they are a 1774 King George III (counterfiet) , 4 1787 fugio coppers ( sorry Angel i just had to beat your two in one day record :tongue:) and a 1788 New Jersey state copper (maris 67-v. variety common type).

oh yeah i did the dance :happydance01: happydance02 <:


heres all the goodies 5 buttons a shoe buckle frame and the coppers , their pretty green so it might be awhile before their cleaned first i have to id them , but i keep you all posted with more pictures of the progress.HH

Dan
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr228/del1786/2011/august20thfinds1.jpg
Hidy Del . VERY NICE finds . Yall got it made up there in thoses hills . Good luck .