My first US belt plate!

[tanacat]

I dug this US belt plate in the front yard of a house built in 1867 (plus all other items pictured). The owner and I have common interest in arrowhead hunting and shared our collections last week. We've been talking a lot and I really like him. I even gave him a dandy cloak button with intricate designs I found there, which I thought was pretty generous of me :cheesysmile: See, he's lived in the house since he was a boy and goes back in generations to when it was built, so I thought perhaps that button belonged to one of his ancestors.

But NOW that I found the belt plate I found myself feeling guilty that I haven't shared the find with him, what if he wants it/demands it?? I am feeling selfish and want to keep it! I wouldn't feel so guilty, but I plan to go back there because I'm determined to go back and find his wife's platinum wedding band she lost in the yard 7 yrs ago... This house was along a route that soldiers travelled back in the day, so it may not be his ancestor's (but what if his great grandpa was a Union soldier...) I'm a pretty honest person, but I've heard many MDers say don't tell owners 'everything'. Anyone else been in this situation?






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[jkress]

Wow... there it is, a US belt plate. <: :clapping:
That must have really been exciting to unearth. :daydream:
It is an incredible find. Congrats Tana.

I can certainly understand your dilemma. My guess is that the
guilty feeling you mention will continue to grow. :)
Maybe hold off mentioning it until you are done hunting that yard.
You might just find that ring. Then you could show him both and
offer him to pick one to keep. One for you, one for him. I'm guessing he
would pick the ring. :yes:
Or... you might find another one in even better shape. You can then give him the first one.
It's a tough call that we all will probably face at one time or another.

[Viking]

I agree with jkress- see how it plays out and go from there. :yes: Perhaps you'll find the ring, or find another interesting item that may mean more to him than you. It sounds like you've both made a friend in the deal, and that probably means more to you both than that [awesome] US belt plate. :beerbuddy:

I've never had a problem with the idea of splitting finds 50/50 with a property owner, especially when it's been in the family for many years. Sure we're the ones digging in the yard with our personal equipment, and it was likely never going to get hunted anyways, but it takes two to tango and it is their yard. Like I always say, 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing! It's just tricky when you find a major item like this...good luck!

[del]

you've been killing me with anticipation girl >:{ :hairpulling: lol lol
finally get to see the plate :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:
:omg: :shocked04: that is a great piece of history ya got there Tana |:confused:) |:confused:) :shocked04: happydance02 :happydance01: <: :peace: :cheering: does it have the paws or hooks on the back:huh: mega congrats on the beltplate Tana its a beauty :smitten: :smitten:

i see your dilema on the plate but realistically the chances are extremely silm that proud southerners that far south past the mason/dixion line would have anyone in their family fighting for the Yankee's and the north so personally wouldn't feel guilty . unless you could prove its ties to this family (with a name , initials or the like scrawled on the back or something ) . ask the owner if he had any relatives who fought in the great war if he did bet ya it was for the Confederate , more than likely it was lost from a northern soldier who camped on or near the property or maybe was taken for a souvenir . unless the item is personalized in some way to a place or person or family your best to keep it Tana . congrats on a great great piece :beerbuddy:

[Toadman]

I would be totally thrilled with that plate ! :perfect10: :perfect10: :perfect10:

[coinnut]

First, Congrats Tana on a great find |:confused:) |:confused:) Now my take on finds and home owners. Here's how I look at that whole situation. If the homeowner said you could do his property and has known that you have a collection from doing metal detecting, then it stands to reason that they probably understand that you keep the items too. Most people would not be shy if they wanted what you found...it would be said boldly up front lol I am not much for showing everything to them, since they may just change their mind and keep what they like. I don't give them the option, because it changes what was already agreed upon when permission was granted earlier. I also have seen some people take some silver from me and polish it like a mirror. They really don't understand that item and how to preserve it. Heck, their kids may even lose it or just junk it cause it isn't in good shape. 8/ I also agree with Dan, that if it was a CS buckle and their generations go back to that period, I would give it back out of personal respect for their ancestors. But I would take a million pictures of it rofl

Finding the Platinum ring is a different story and I would always give that to them. That is your return favor to them for granting permission to hunt. I try and keep it balanced both ways without taking advantage of them or them of me. I hope some of the beach guys can tell you, but I have a feeling that ring is gonna read real low on the VDI scale. Size will alter the numbers, but I would dig all non ferrous targets including aluminum foil :yes:

Think it over and see what you feel is best, Who knows, after a bit, you may feel that buckle should be theirs and offer it up to them. But I would decide fast and stick with your decision. Don't want any hard feelings and them thinking you are hiding all the gold from them :thinkingabout: Just my way of looking at it though.

[yazoo]

You are getting pretty good with that thing Tana.Nice finds .Good luck and keep it up girl. Yazoo

[Ill Digger]

There it is!! thumbsup01 Nice!! :yes: :drool:
That's a awesome find Tana!!
That's something I'll have a hard time coming across way up here in northern Ill. :rolleyes: crying01
Congrats :grin:

[RobW]

That really had to have got your blood pumping good! :clapping:

[Spiderwort]

Nice find Tana.

[Civil War Nut]

Very nice finds Cat. Must have been something in the air last week , I found a U. S. buckle also . And I think Del. and Cnut well said it . I always ask the owners if there famleys lived where I hunt that way you know that most of personel finds there wouud belong to them . All land oweners have told me that they would like to see what I find and they wouldnt want anything . Some places I find things of Civil War for people that had familey in it . Then I give it to them . I just returned the stuff I found of Sam Reed CSA. today . I will put a post of it on here later . You know , its bad when a girl comes along and beats me at this game . Good for you through , Good luck and H.H. Girl.

[THing4CSA]

Congrats on all your great finds. I do understand where you are coming from as I was searching a guy's yard in Virginia and found a beautiful 1896 Indian Head Cent that was in XF condition although green as a gord it was a perfect coin and after showing it to the property owner he told me that he wanted it. I did give it up but it sure leaves a taste in your mouth. What I have done to keep that from happening again is to do the 'Gentleman's (in your case the Lady's) handshake agreement. I talk with the property owner and get them to agree that I keep everything unless it is a piece of jewelry that belongs to them or their spouse or Grandparent, etc.

Currently my friends and I are searching a Civil War battle site and are finding the normal bullets, buttons, coins, and other relics. Two weeks ago my friend dug a perfect US Belt Plate. It will be pictured in a E & W article I believe in June or July. My friend was so excited he was afraid to turn the plate over to see the back. I asked if I could look at the back and see if it was a Belt or Box Plate ane was told to go for it. I turned it over and it had the complete Puppy-Paws and also had a bit of the original leather attached! What a treat to see and be the first in 150 years to see it!
Best wishes for more success on your next search!
Dave
'Digger-Dave'
THing4CSA
PS: Remember; Don't leave it in the ground!

[tanacat]

Two weeks ago my friend dug a perfect US Belt Plate. It will be pictured in a E & W article I believe in June or July. My friend was so excited he was afraid to turn the plate over to see the back. I asked if I could look at the back and see if it was a Belt or Box Plate ane was told to go for it. I turned it over and it had the complete Puppy-Paws and also had a bit of the original leather attached!

Thanks for the tips- that sucks about the IH. I hear that quite often, why I'm hesitant to tell the owner. Here's a pic of the back- I'm not sure the difference between belt or box plate? I'm pretty much a coin shooter but love finding the relics too of course. Have a lot to learn is what I'm trying to say :)

FYI I found it in coin and jewelry mode, which I tend to hunt majority of the time (enjoy the variety of tones vs the boring single tone of relic mode).

I almost didn't dig it thinking it was a large bottle cap!!! :omg: Still learning my machine :blush:




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[tanacat]

ask the owner if he had any relatives who fought in the great war if he did bet ya it was for the Confederate , more than likely it was lost from a northern soldier who camped on or near the property or maybe was taken for a souvenir . unless the item is personalized in some way to a place or person or family your best to keep it Tana . congrats on a great great piece :beerbuddy:

You didn't mention you just found one! Or did I miss your thread :rolleyes: I think you're right about doubting his family was union soldier... Well, I think I'll just be honest and show him next time I go. If he wants it I'll be assertive and say Nope, I worked for it- I'm keeping it.

A hunting buddy recently told me a story of owner asking to see a handful of old coins, he then stuck them in his pocket, said thanks went inside and closed the door! :shocked01:

[tanacat]

I just returned the stuff I found of Sam Reed CSA. today . I will put a post of it on here later .

Oh I think I just read article in E&W Treasure mag... ? Was that you? I'll be looking for your post thumbsup01 I am all for returning things to owners- I have given several rings/jewelry to owners with no qualms - even that big 'ol chunky gold class ring! :grin:

[tanacat]

There it is!! thumbsup01 Nice!! :yes: :drool:
That's a awesome find Tana!!
That's something I'll have a hard time coming across way up here in northern Ill. :rolleyes: crying01
Congrats :grin:


You need to come hunt with me in ky next time you're coming through! Bring your family- I'll find a large area for us to hunt :) Are you going to DFX ONly hunt in Pennsylvania?

[Ill Digger]

Are you going to DFX ONly hunt in Pennsylvania?
8/ I got the phone call yesterday....back to work Monday :-\ :rolleyes:
I'm going to run it by them when I go in. We'll see how well that go's over :rolleyes: lol
If I'm ever coming through your area I'll be sure to let you know thumbsup01
How about you? :huh: You goin'?
Again killer find! :grin:

[v3ikid]

Congrats on some great finds. Looks like you are starting the yeard off right. :perfect10: :clapping:

[Civil War Nut]

Oh I think I just read article in E&W Treasure mag... ? Was that you? I'll be looking for your post thumbsup01 I am all for returning things to owners- I have given several rings/jewelry to owners with no qualms - even that big 'ol chunky gold class ring! :grin:
Hidy Cat . I seen all my finds to American Digger Got one in July 2010 & one this year March & April Vol. 7 Issue 2 . I havent learned how to seen my stuff in to Weastern & Eastern yet . I take both Magazine . Earl . Yours looks a lot GOODER than mine .

[tanacat]

Don't want any hard feelings and them thinking you are hiding all the gold from them :thinkingabout:

lol Actually there is a rumor of horde of gold buried near the area... When I was hunting another estate, the owners informed me of it and bluntly said if I found it, it was theirs. I said okay... thinking surely they'd give me a finders fee thumbsup01 I don't dig up potential trunks of gold/ big stuff in people's lawns anyway- I'm afraid it'd be a septic tank or sewer or tractor parts, etc... Don't want to make a big mess...

Anyway George, getting off track here with my morning coffee :interesting: lol Thanks for your input. You know you are one of my fave gurus :)

[sniffy]

AMAZING BUCKLE!

[tanacat]

Thanks Sniffy!

I was just re-reading this thread and thinking how my question and first few answers sounds like a Dear Abby for metal detecting! lol

[sniffy]

Thanks Sniffy!

I was just re-reading this thread and thinking how my question and first few answers sounds like a Dear Abby for metal detecting! lol
I always have a angel and devil on each shoulder when I detect standing homesteads. I would ask about family in the war, and if not....keep it and get back there and uncover that ring for em!

[hockeyguy]

very nice tanacat.....i wouldn't worry about the plate. the mere fact that you are searching for a platinum ring for them is gesture enough. i don't even know what platinum would sound like, but if it's a nickel or worse, they're getting their money's worth out of you! this is symbiotic!

[tanacat]

. i don't even know what platinum would sound like, but if it's a nickel or worse, they're getting their money's worth out of you! this is symbiotic!


Yep, nickel 23 vdi - 43 vdi range. Yesterday I swung over her wedding ring (she lost the band) and it sure jumped around a lot. I'm guessing the diamond prongs are different metal or something...

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

very nice plate! i agree with what most said about it.i doubt it was a family members.put it in your display case as a centerpiece.taht was a gift from above for you being kind enough to look for the ring on each visit! is that helping erase your guilty conscience yet? :rolleyes: :thinkingabout: