Not happy....

[Beefcake]

I have shared this with the other forums I'm affiliated with and thought I should share this here with those who contributed this year...

So, I get a message on Youtube about Clad for kids from this guy... He goes by Grizzlygroundswell ... I kinda knew what to expect by his name. He first sent a message because he wanted to interview me for his magazine. Mind you I haven't checked my messages on Youtube for quite a while, but I kinda feel like he undermined me here... WTfruit. I don't and can't subscribe to his ideology that he espoused in his blogs and umpteen site he owns... but he bought out the rights of Clad for kids? I really don't know what to think of this post...

Clad for Kids What a great idea!

I just launched my Theodore Media site that contains GrizzlyRelic.com, GrizzlyTreasure.com, BackyardTemerity.com (blog) and GrizzlyBackyard.com Also my online magazine TemerityMagazine.com

It has a forum, chat and all the fun tools that bring metal detectorists together.

I really love your idea of Clad for Kids and I went ahead and purchased www.cladforkids.com (http://www.cladforkids.com) and .org. I would like to offer your idea a home on my site using these url's.

I am not sure if you have filed for the non profit business entity yet, but I can assist you with that and with a website home, you may see your idea blossom.

As a Conservative, I have the url GrizzlyCharity.com and this idea of yours fits perfectly into this idea that Charity always trumps socialism, and is in fact the motivation for building wealth.

In your video you stated that this sprung forth on other forums and I think you should foster those relationships as well as have a site or home of this entities own.

I hope you can accept this opportunity. If not, the url's can be sold for at fair market price after 6 months to your organization if you choose to host them else where. I don't want you to think I am holding them hostage. I just see great promise in you and this idea. I know it would flourish within my system I have been building now since July 27, 2007.

I only know what I saw on your video so my questions are:

1. Have you set this project up as a 501 non profit yet? If not, that can easily be done. Then legally you can accept donations and really get Grizzly with realizing your dream.

2. I host my sites at Temeritydomains.com so any site is possible. Would a static website with all the correct contact info, photo's and such suffice or would you be more interested in a blog? I can interlace it within Theodore Media so it benefits from the entire system and yet still stay an entity onto itself. Or it can be hosted on its own and just interlinked. Either way is pretty simple but the benefit of interlacing it within the system would mean greater visibility and reach.

3. I would like to work with you on this project and serve as a board member but it is not a necessity. I humbly offer my expertise to this great idea.

I imagine you have a hundred questions as well so here is my contact information:

[Beefcake]

I decided to respond... I hope I made myself clear enough...

Hi Chad,
I must admit that I am a bit taken back by all this and don't really know how to take it. The Clad for Kids program was set up to be something small that could easily be managed by my wife and I during the Christmas season. I have had offers before to develop a website for the program, but I have chose not to in the past. I devote 2 months out of my year to run this program and make it a success and with the growth of nearly tripling this past year, it may have reached its size limit. I have discussed this with many of my donors and they are in agreement with me that it is not the time to persue such an endeavor. There are concerns that have come about also. I am pretty sure that you have the best of intentions in mind with the offer you have made, but considerations for all involved must be taken into account. I have maintained this program as apolitical without judgement of reason for need, simply keeping the needs of the kids in mind. If I'm being honest, I was a bit taken back that you had purchased the domains of cladforkids.com/org... I want you to know that I respect your political affiliations, but I wasn't expecting to have my program linked to political websites. I hope you understand that I utilize several resources to find recipients for this program that involve the local schools. My concerns are...If folks would do a google search on Clad for kids, I truly wouldn't want it linked to a political website....that is the farthest thing from my intentions of this program. Secondly, my donors are a close knit bunch of folks that have expressed concerns about donating in the future because of being steered in the wrong directions. This program has been a success becaue the folks that donate, know and trust me to do this in good faith. I don't have a board of directors...it's just me and my wife trying to help out some folks in our small way. I don't have a problem telling the story of the program because it is my goal to have others adopt the model of Clad for Kids in their own areas. As stated before, I think you had the best of intentions, but it simply isn't for me at this point. I work two jobs being a substitute teacher by day and a second job at night. We work really hard each year to help as many people as possible and I'm proud of the folks that have helped to make this a success. I would gladly tell my story to you or anyone that would like to publish it, but I kindly ask that you would make the websites with the name Cladforkids inactive for reasons stated above.

[SeabeeRon]

As I have said on other Forums buddy, stay away from this guy!! >:\

[Ill Digger]

I thought this guy way kinda..... :thinkingabout:...over ambitious :crazy:
I can't believe this stole your Clad for Kids name and went out and got the domain names :mad:
I'm on your side here Brian ! I will be boycotting everything Grizzly :hammer:
What a ........ :lipssealed:

[Beefcake]

I don't plan on contributing to his magazine or whatever it might be...but I have to try to save the name of the program as best as I can....

[Beefcake]

This is the message he sent me today...

Thank God! I did not know if I was going to be able to get a hold of you!

I really want to do an interview with you about Clad For Kids! I think that is an awesome idea! And you have been running it for two years now!

Then there is your metal detecting and youtube channel I could interview you about or you could write the article and submit it yourself!

I am planning on publishing Temerity Magazine at the end of Jan. Early Feb. if I can't herd everyone to get it in on time or if a great opportunity comes that I need to include in the magazine.

Did I send you a link to the editors preview of Temerity Magazine?

Chad

[Ill Digger]

I don't plan on contributing to his magazine or whatever it might be...but I have to try to save the name of the program as best as I can....

Yeah he asked me too. I'm not donin' anything for this thief !!! I can't believe he had the gull to do this !! :mad:

[Dimeman]

I don't plan on contributing to his magazine or whatever it might be...but I have to try to save the name of the program as best as I can....

Hope you can do something to inform those who have helped you with your program that you are NOT associated with him in any way.
He is bad news.........

[Beefcake]

I just got this message... Here's his response...

This is troubling. But, not surprising I guess. I wish you the best of luck in the future.

[Epi-hunter]

I have shared this with the other forums I'm affiliated with and thought I should share this here with those who contributed this year...

So, I get a message on Youtube about Clad for kids from this guy... He goes by Grizzlygroundswell ... I kinda knew what to expect by his name. He first sent a message because he wanted to interview me for his magazine. Mind you I haven't checked my messages on Youtube for quite a while, but I kinda feel like he undermined me here... WTfruit. I don't and can't subscribe to his ideology that he espoused in his blogs and umpteen site he owns... but he bought out the rights of Clad for kids? I really don't know what to think of this post...

Clad for Kids What a great idea!

I just launched my Theodore Media site that contains GrizzlyRelic.com, GrizzlyTreasure.com, BackyardTemerity.com (blog) and GrizzlyBackyard.com Also my online magazine TemerityMagazine.com

It has a forum, chat and all the fun tools that bring metal detectorists together.

I really love your idea of Clad for Kids and I went ahead and purchased www.cladforkids.com (http://www.cladforkids.com) and .org. I would like to offer your idea a home on my site using these url's.

I am not sure if you have filed for the non profit business entity yet, but I can assist you with that and with a website home, you may see your idea blossom.

As a Conservative, I have the url GrizzlyCharity.com and this idea of yours fits perfectly into this idea that Charity always trumps socialism, and is in fact the motivation for building wealth.

In your video you stated that this sprung forth on other forums and I think you should foster those relationships as well as have a site or home of this entities own.

I hope you can accept this opportunity. If not, the url's can be sold for at fair market price after 6 months to your organization if you choose to host them else where. I don't want you to think I am holding them hostage. I just see great promise in you and this idea. I know it would flourish within my system I have been building now since July 27, 2007.

I only know what I saw on your video so my questions are:

1. Have you set this project up as a 501 non profit yet? If not, that can easily be done. Then legally you can accept donations and really get Grizzly with realizing your dream.

2. I host my sites at Temeritydomains.com so any site is possible. Would a static website with all the correct contact info, photo's and such suffice or would you be more interested in a blog? I can interlace it within Theodore Media so it benefits from the entire system and yet still stay an entity onto itself. Or it can be hosted on its own and just interlinked. Either way is pretty simple but the benefit of interlacing it within the system would mean greater visibility and reach.

3. I would like to work with you on this project and serve as a board member but it is not a necessity. I humbly offer my expertise to this great idea.

I imagine you have a hundred questions as well so here is my contact information:


He has nothing on you Brian, except that he bought the domain name that he thinks you might want in the future.

You don't need a domain name. He hopes to either draw you in now, or else to sell you the domain name for a fair market price once you realize that you need the domain.

You don't need an attorney. You just need to tell this person go get a life and leave you alone.

I would not give this person one word of response to this.

[Beefcake]

With his response...which was rather lackluster to say the least.. I'll just wait to see if he takes down the sites... either way, I'll just forget about it... I don't need or want a website for what we do... It has worked perfect for two straight years without a single problem... not many endeavors can say that! I'm happy just the way it is!

[Epi-hunter]

With his response...which was rather lackluster to say the least.. I'll just wait to see if he takes down the sites... either way, I'll just forget about it... I don't need or want a website for what we do... It has worked perfect for two straight years without a single problem... not many endeavors can say that! I'm happy just the way it is!


Brian... my advice is to just ignore him. He has nothing on you. Let him do whatever he wants with the site. It has nothing to do with you, and what you do.

Congrats on your cover story :happydance01:

[giant056]

Beefcake I'm sorry to hear about your dilemma, that very same guy has been trying to reel me in on utube for a while now, basically I pay no attention, he's written me some mighty extensive emails too, after seeing this, I'm going to block him on my email account for sure. I knew there was something fishy about this guy I could just feel it but I basically always ignored all his extensive invites to do this and that.

[Beefcake]

You are like the 5th person to say that he has contacted you... I'm hoping for the best!!!

[Nitro 54]

That Griz guy is a strange one for sure ... :hammer: :behave: :interesting: Maybe he'll just get lost for good :grin: :grin: :boxing: :boxing:

[SeabeeRon]

I think you can use your Clad for Kids each year like you have been Brian unless this guy can show a copyright to it and as said elsewhere, you have proof you used it before he ever came up with it! :beatdown: :boxing:

[Beefcake]

He has developed the sites with his idea now... I'm glad that a few members have stuck up for me and posted that he stole the idea, but he has already deleted a few responses...

[coinnut]

Hey Brian. Keep every e mail he sent you. If this thing ever gets big on his end...he will owe you some money. He stole your idea and your name, even though it wasn't registered. In the end you would have a very good case against him. Timeline and usage is very important in Trademarks and Copyrights. Just hold on to everything! Besides if you ever wanted a domain name, there are ways to just slightly alter it and it would be yours. Domain buying and sitting on them has been going on for years. It's all about selling it to you for a huge profit. He's a jerk.

[Dimeman]

Hey Brian. Keep every e mail he sent you. If this thing ever gets big on his end...he will owe you some money. He stole your idea and your name, even though it wasn't registered. In the end you would have a very good case against him. Timeline and usage is very important in Trademarks and Copyrights. Just hold on to everything! Besides if you ever wanted a domain name, there are ways to just slightly alter it and it would be yours. Domain buying and sitting on them has been going on for years. It's all about selling it to you for a huge profit. He's a jerk.

I agree with Coinnut....PLUS you have a copy of that Ohio detector magazine with an article on YOU and Clad For Kids. That makes it a plus in your favor that it is your idea and he stole it from you !!!!!!

[CyberSage]

Beef,
You have an army of detectorist ready to back you up. Things are going to be fine.

Jack

[Beefcake]

Thanks folks... I honestly feel like I've been kicked in the stomach over this. I just don't understand why he won't just stop using the name... He can take the theory behind the program and go wherever it takes him... but I came up with the name and it is associated with me.

[Beefcake]

He pulled the comment sections from the sites...

[giant056]

He's been pulling comments on my video's for a while now, he'll make several comments on the same video and pull all except for one, I thought that was kind of strange myself. I'm going to see if there is a way to block him from viewing and commenting on my public video's, if not then I'll just settle for him being blocked on my email.

[jkress]

Sounds like he is simply in it for the sale of the site name. Way, way too many people out there buying and selling domains for profit nowadays. :mad:

It is very inexpensive to buy one originally, and perhaps a slight variation to the name might just lock you in if you ever decided to get a site up.

Good luck Brian.... and more importantly, I wouldn't let this guy ruffle your feathers.

[ec121connie]

I stopped by whois just to see who owns the sites. While there I noticed that a few interesting domain names are available for about 10 bucks.

http://www.whois.net/whois/cladforkids.com


clad-for-kids.org is probably a better name for a non-profit and is available.

Also available are;
clad-for-kids.com
clad-for-kids.net
cladforkids.net

In fact, keeping with the spirit of your endeavor, I'll gladly donate today's clad finds to help you purchase a proper domain name. Lets spend 10 bucks and have a bit of fun with the bottom feeder.

Regards,

[del]

I stopped by whois just to see who owns the sites. While there I noticed that a few interesting domain names are available for about 10 bucks.

http://www.whois.net/whois/cladforkids.com


clad-for-kids.org is probably a better name for a non-profit and is available.

Also available are;
clad-for-kids.com
clad-for-kids.net
cladforkids.net

In fact, keeping with the spirit of your endeavor, I'll gladly donate today's clad finds to help you purchase a proper domain name. Lets spend 10 bucks and have a bit of fun with the bottom feeder.

Regards,


you do your homework , nicely done ec121connie
and great jesture too. i too will contribute Brian so you can safely obtain a domain name just to thumb our nose at this looser. :happydance01:

[kenfen]

Beefcake,

I agree with Connie. This guy is a clown. Wild West Domains, Inc..... he's just in it for the domain sale. He's not real smart cause if he wanted to lock it down, it would take a lot more effort than what he did.

Go register the domain so you can put it up properly and let your great idea continue to help others.

Kind Regards, Ken

[pulltabsteve]

Dont let it get you down Brian. Guy sounds like a complete loser. If he persists let me know. I know a guy who knows a guy.... He's from Jersey! He takes care of these sort of matters. :grin: :bop:

[Toadman]

What a schmutz.......Maybe someday he'll get a life...

I know Steves guy.. budda bing !! :behave: :beatdown:

[Beefcake]

That would be the last thing we need at this point. It would be much easier if he wanted to do something on his own without hijacking the name and the domain names (which he had the right to do legally...but morally it is much different. This would have easily been avoided if he had just asked me before he purchased the domains, but he didn't. At this point I think this will be the end of the project... It was a good thing while it lasted.

[Epi-hunter]

That would be the last thing we need at this point. It would be much easier if he wanted to do something on his own without hijacking the name and the domain names (which he had the right to do legally...but morally it is much different. This would have easily been avoided if he had just asked me before he purchased the domains, but he didn't. At this point I think this will be the end of the project... It was a good thing while it lasted.

I am extremely sad to hear that you are giving up on it, just because of this idiot.

Frankly he was not going to ask you before buying the domain name, because that would have defeated his whole purpose. You would have then had an opportunity to purchase it.

You don't need that domain name, Brian. Just because he owns the domain means nothing. Register for clad-for-kids.com and set it up as your primary site for the project. Make it clear on your site that the other site was set up by a money-seeking predator who had absolutely no involvement in any phase of the project.

Just because he registered for the domain name does NOT mean that he can take over your idea! It's just a domain name, and despite it being a morally terrible thing to do, he was well within his legal rights to buy it. It just means he owns a domain name. It was not your domain so he had no obligation to ask you before purchasing it.

If you let this loser ruin the good work that you have done, he will have won. I don't think you are a quitter, and there is no reason to let this person affect your work at all.

If you need any help whatsoever, in purchasing the domain or setting up the website, please let me know. My son is a fabulous web site designer, and I am more than willing to help fund the domain.

[coinnut]

Ditto on this side Brian. Funding it won't be a problem, it's rather cheap. Besides I can't stand that bad people always seem to win. I wish we had a pattent / trademark attorney on this site to give us the legal side of it. I still think he is in violation of using your name. The domain name we may not be able to do much with, but I hate to see next years needy families go without because of him. But it is your decision and we will back you either way Brian.

[CyberSage]

You have a lot of support Beef. Count me in. Funding is not an issue as far as I am concerned.

Jack

[Beefcake]

Thank you all... I'm going to have to think about which way to take this.... I hate and I mean HATE the fact that this program has been hindered in any way by this guy.

[Epi-hunter]

I hate and I mean HATE the fact that this program has been hindered in any way by this guy.


It hasn't.

[CyberSage]

Nothing has changed Beef. It is the same as it was, and will continue to be in the future.

[wagon wheel]

Count me in as well...this kind of clown can not be allowed to hinder all the good you have and will generate through your good will efforts! Don't let the selfishness of one keep the potential goodness for many from becoming a reality!!! Keep up the good fight my friend!!! :bop: :boxing: :boxing:


w.w.

[capt.]

For what it is worth, I will stand with you also. You must be a hell of a guy Brian. The people of this forum stand up for you...that's enough to convince me. Good luck and please keep us posted on future developments

capt..