I may have found another nice copper!

[kray]

I went out again today to where I found the Mass copper yesterday. If my hopes are correct, I think I found a Nova Constellatio!! It's got the rays and stars, but on the back all I can see are the letters RN I think. It looks like there are other possibilities like some sort of Vermont coin, too.
All I've done is a light brushing; I don't want to mess things up like I think I did with the Mass cent. Any help with an ID would be appreciated.

[del]

Ray its hard to see but heres a couple pictures of both coins it could be

[coinnut]

I'm leaning towards that landscape Vermont (vermontensium) myself. Great find Ray !!!!!!!!!!!

[del]

yeah we gotta have some better pictures Ray try having the light source casting across the face of the coin , it usually shows better detail.

[kray]

Thanks guys.
All I've got is my iPhone right now but I'll see what I can do.

[Timewarpdigger]

Very interesting find congrats. Hope you get get clean enough to get an ID. But looking at the picture it does look more like the vermont coin. Safe & HH

[Bell-Two]

Whatever it is it is a fantastic find!

[kray]

Lets try this picture.

[del]

Hey Ray i'm pretty sure you have found your second state copper , its looking like a landscape Vermont copper. there is only three varieties its could be .

[MangoAve]

Hey Ray i'm pretty sure you have found your second state copper , its looking like a landscape Vermont copper. there is only three varieties its could be .

Between the two pictures you posted earlier, It's definitely the VT copper if it's one of those. The fact the center of the reverse has the raised circle. As well the rays have sharper/deeper edges on the VT which is like the pic he posted. Good call Dan/George. Nice find Kray

[OxShoeDrew]

Ray, amazing you dug two state coppers this week an none were CTs!! How long are you up?

[Lodge Scent]

Awesome !

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

woo hoo! way to go ray! cellar hole?

[RobW]

:shocked04:......:loveit:.......:drool:......Aweso me Find!!

[kray]

Ray, amazing you dug two state coppers this week an none were CTs!! How long are you up?Yep, my first two state coppers EVER!! and I get them in two consecutive days. I'm up til Easter, but might have to be dragged back, I do not want to leave!

[kray]

woo hoo! way to go ray! cellar hole?Hey Dave. Yep, cellar hole; about half a mile from the mill site you and Todd took me to a year or so go. This rain sucks!

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

Hey Dave. Yep, cellar hole; about half a mile from the mill site you and Todd took me to a year or so go. This rain sucks!
on the same dirt road? or on the paved road going to the mill site?

[Thiltzy]

Your hot Kray, way to go man and keep the streak going:cheering:

[kray]

on the same dirt road? or on the paved road going to the mill site?

Off of the paved road, if I understand you correctly.
You're not going to clear out all of the GW's, are you!??!

[Otis Campbell]

So cool, not many states had their own coins did they?

[del]

I agree Ray hope you pick up a couple more state coppers before you leave New England .:crossfingers:


So cool, not many states had their own coins did they?


Otis , Massachusetts , Connecticut , New Jersey , New York , Virginia and Vermont all had minted their own coinage before the federal government .these coins were widely accepted from state to state.

[don in ny]

Otis, the first state to issue it's own coins was Massachusetts in 1652. It was the New England silver coinage. They continued making Willow, Oak and Pine Tree shillings, 6 pence, 3 pence and 2 pence pieces up until the late 1680's. Higley made coppers in CT from 1737-1739. CT and VT issued copper coins from 1785-1788, NJ from 1786-1788 and MA from 1787-1788. MA was the first to use the word cent. There were also VA pieces dated 1773, but these were made in England as were many other circulating coppers of the time. The made counterfeit British halfpence and counterfeit NJ's just north of Newburgh NY in the late 1780's with most of the counterfeit NJ's being struck over CT's as the NJ's were worth more. There were also some pattern coinage made in NJ with the most famous being the Brashier Doubloon. There was a Brasher Doubloon found in a cellar hole in Philadephia in 1915 and they currently sell for about $4m. I know of a number of the rare pattern pieces from NY as well as a couple of Higley's coming out of the ground with metal detectors. You never know.

[kray]

So this is the best I can do with what I've got, an IPhone and an Ollo Clip attachment. If anyone can help with a coin grade, I would greatly appreciate it. If I can figure out how to use my DSLR and post those pix, I certainly will.

[del]

Ray they have a great amount of detail still left , I bet we will be able to attribute their varieties. good job on the cleaning :thumbsup02:

after a quick look you Vermont looks like a Ryder-2
like this one .

the Mass cent looks like a Ryder 3-G.

[giant056]

Awesome find for sure :thumbsup02:

[kray]

Thanks, Dan. Iron Patch, a guy on another forum, agrees on the Vermont being a Ryder 2. He had nothing on the Mass. What's "Ryder" mean, anyways!?

[del]

Thanks, Dan. Iron Patch, a guy on another forum, agrees on the Vermont being a Ryder 2. He had nothing on the Mass. What's "Ryder" mean, anyways!?


Ray , Iron Patch is another guy who is very proficient in colonials coinage knowledge and whom I have a lot of respect for .

Newman , Miller and Ryder were all last names of the gentlemen that first listed and attributed all the varieties of the Fugio's ,Connecticut's Vermont's and Mass. coppers. they all written books on the coin types.

[Thiltzy]

Great stuff Ray, congrats again I am very happy you finally found some state coin and man, that Mass Copper looks so good. nice job cleaning them. They really held some nice detail.

[milco]

Very nice, congrats on the old coppers!

[CTTodd]

That's a hot coin. Very nice

[Sal66]

:) Great Find !! Those are definitely better than the 1st set of Pics . Great going del on identifying the Variety . You should be an Attributor for CT. , CONECA is looking for a Rep.